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carrie

What does Jennifer Connelly have to do with anything? Maybe if you organized with your neighbors (as they do on the west side), you'd get be able to work out a solution. Snide, anonymous letters don't get one very far.

Bob Marvin

I agree with ATP. I think it is our duty to share our cultural advantages with our sonically deprived neighbors to the west. While I'm sure the marching band practice can be heard on Prospect Park West (and probably lower Manhattan) I doubt that residents of the other side of the park can hear this music with the crystal clarity and full dynamic range we enjoy here. It would be selfish of us to keep this experience to ourselves. By the same token, I'd even be willing to have the circus play part of it's season on the Long Meadow

Brooklyn

This letter is foolish. Ever notice that there's a part of Prospect Park called THE PARADE GROUNDS? Mass assembly is a part of the park's historic heritage.

I'm sure the marching bands were practicing long before your uptight asses moved into the neighborhood.

anon

"I'm sure the marching bands were practicing long before your uptight asses moved into the neighborhood."

If so, I'm sure it pissed people off back then. For what it's worth, this insanely repetitive and annoying band is not playing on the parade grounds but at a variety of sites closer to PLG on the eastern side of the park.

MaryMag

ABOUT YOU: No you're not clever. You are the worse. You are ill-meaning, snide, racist, and elitist-for-nothing. You bores scare me more than a night at Empire Roller Disco scares you. And "people like ms. (jennifer)connelly"?? That's a pathetic reach.

PeaceLoveNap

Whaaaa... are you talking about?

The Parade Grounds wasn't even officially part of Prospect Park until a few years ago. It's true that thanks to Tupper Thomas the park took over this area and restored many of the run down athletic areas.

Maybe you are thinking of Drummer's Grove???

We all love Drummer's Grove, because the music is constantly varied, is generally on weekends, and is a long standing part of this neighborhood's culture.

I've never had a second thought about the musicians in the grove.

But the trumpeters *do* get on the nerves because they play the same song for two hours a few times a week.

I don't agree that it's because of any great organization on the side of Park Slope that we have these practicing musicians and they do not. I do think that anything with a high "annoyance" factor is placed on our side of the park - we are the "default" so to speak.

Adrian Lesher

When I hear/see the band practice I'm glad to see kids learning music. Children learning to play don't usually sound like they belong in the Philharmonic, but who can deny participating in a band is a great social and educational experience? And my guess is that the band participants live closer to this side of the park than to Jennifer Connoly's side.

adwred

ATP, you could likely just wait a few years for your gentrification dream to become a reality and eliminate, or at least reduce, the amount of band practice.

Maybe before that happens you'll wake up and appreciate the fact that the kids in our neighborhoods get a chance to learn to play music in a band.

And by the way, the definition of "practice" includes "repetition".

Ceelledee

What's with all the vitriol and snarkiness here? I was starting to feel hopeful that maybe we ATP subscribers had moved on from the days of "Ed"- style, hysterical flaming on this site.

IMHO, airing lots of different opinions on the issues is a good thing. In fact, the practice is a classic, essential component of what makes for a truly healthy and diverse community. Especially in an online opinion-swapping arena, one indicator of healthy culture can be when the community encourages the passionate airing of divergent views while simultaneously discouraging unnecessary ad hominen attacks.

Yeah, I know. The simple suggestion that we PLGers (new and veteran, POC and non-POC, etc.,) are capable of having a mature, intelligent discussion of our honest differences will probably ignite the flames of those juveniles who can't communicate one good idea without resorting to emotional, inflammatory rhetoric. That is what is truly pathetic.

BTW, while I also think the letter was not particularly well-written or useful as an advocacy tool, the writer makes a point. Many of us who live close to the Park especially suffer the noise from the marching band practice every year (as with the circus) and welcome the "quiet" that comes with the end of their season. At the same time, and as Adrian points out, I welcome what this band represents in our community -- positive efforts by young people to be positively engaged in community. In the end, I'd rather have quiet, but I'll take the relentless rat-a-tat-tat of a marching band for a season over the chilling sounds of gun shots in Prospect Park.

acrossthepark

adwred (and others) - as you attack us, please note that we did not write this letter, as stated in the opening paragraph of the post. it was submitted by reader who kindly asked that we post it. good thing we withheld his/her name!

opinions expressed in the letter are not representative nor are they endorsed by ATP.

bklyn

Could it be because the kids in band practice mostly live or go to school on the other side of the park, so it wouldn't be safe for them to walk back from the Park Slope side in the dark?

Air Conditioned

There are a lot of defenders of the status quo here. If there was a truck that dumped horse dung every week in the Nethermead, some people would be defending it. It's pretty reasonable to expect the park to have the band play in different places to diffuse any noise concerns. But the park is run by bureaucrats and they follow the path of least resistance. There are people in Park Slope who can call their friend Mayor Mike and say why is there a marching band blah blah blah. And then said bureaucrat gets chewed out. There's little chance of that happening here. If anything, that is what seems racist to me. Some of you who defend the status quo actually end up defending the people who are crapping on you. I can never understand that.

Air Conditioned

Bklyn said: Could it be because the kids in band practice mostly live or go to school on the other side of the park, so it wouldn't be safe for them to walk back from the Park Slope side in the dark?


Well, could be. But I remember that they used to play very close to the Terrace Bridge. So it's as if the park recognized that it is loud and so they moved them closer to the PLG edge!

adwred

The comment I posted above was not an attack, and I don't think its
fair for ATP to describe it as such.

ATP has consistently provided the much needed service of a neighborhood blog and I thank you for that. But the site has also consistently provided the perspective of white middle class property owners that have recently moved in to the neighborhood. This blog emphasizes gentrifier's issues: property cost, crime rates, improved consumer services like restaurants and higher end products. I have seldom (not never) read posts about the schools in the area, local community organizations, or heard the perspective of the majority of residents.

I have not attacked you and I apologize if you feel you were. I was simply pointing out that the gentrification your blog generally desires will take care of the bands soon enough.

PeaceLoveNap

"But the site has also consistently provided the perspective of white middle class property owners that have recently moved in to the neighborhood."

This is a made-up straw man argument. And it's ad hominem.

Fallacy: The perspective on here is of white middle class property owners who have recently moved here.

Evidence of this? None.

Fallacy: Only white middle class property owners care about property cost, crime rates, improved consumer services like restaurants and higher end products.

Preposterous? Evidence? None. False.

Fallacy: Anyone who cares about cares about property cost, crime rates (et cetera) is not a real member of the neighborhood, must be new and doesn't know about the real neighborhood issues.

See above...

Fallacy: "Real" members of the neighborhood like things just like they are.

Evidence? Not by my experience. Most people I meet here have most of the same concerns, regardless of race, income status or length of residency.

Ed

Let's not pretend that ATP is any more than a shadow of what it used to be when I used to comment regularly, Ceelleedee. A look through its archives will prove just that - that its readership has little to say of late.

But there are some excellent ideas coming to life in this thread, which provide a welcome relief to what I'm used to reading here. I mean, recently, a neighborhood resident bullied his way into promoting his comedy shows in Brooklyn Heights on this blog! How totally irrelevant to life in PLG was that?!

On a serious note, I agree with Peace Love Nap (as I have in the past with respect to this matter) - it's incredibly insulting (and defeatist) to conclude that people of color don't care about schools, safety, etc.

Finally, I'd like to revisit Mary's comment above, which truly touched me. It was so thought-provoking, cogent and well-articulated that I'd like to encourage us all to aspire to such eloquence:

"ABOUT YOU: No you're not clever. You are the worse. You are ill-meaning, snide, racist, and elitist-for-nothing. You bores scare me more than a night at Empire Roller Disco scares you. And "people like ms. (jennifer)connelly"?? That's a pathetic reach."

Charles

" I mean, recently, a neighborhood resident bullied his way into promoting his comedy shows in Brooklyn Heights on this blog! How totally irrelevant to life in PLG was that?!"

What part of 'neighborhood resident' confused you, Ed?

Of course I'm more upset that you would mention the show without also mentioning that it is tomorrow! At Magnetic Field at 8PM! (97 Atlantic Ave., between Hicks and Henry) And featuring comics from Conan O'Brien and Comedy Central!

nicoretta7

I live on Clarkson and Flatbush and for a month (maybe more?) I've been hearing music, very loud, well into the night. Sometimes until 1 or 2 am? It's the same sequence of songs every night- mostly carribeanized versions of older pop songs. I haven't paid attention to which days it happens. Mostly weekends, but some weeknights. This is a marching band? Or are you guys talking about something else? At any rate, maybe it's the positioning of my apartment, but I can hear it loud and clear with all the windows shut, a/c's on, and television on, and it's driving me MAD. I wake up with the songs in my head. This has nothing to do with racism - Repeitive music you hear in your sleep and can't get away from is just annoying. End of story. I don't think I've heard it for a little while, but I was on vacation. Is it over?

adwred

What do they call it when you do that point by point rebuttal? Fisking? It has a name in the blogosphere but I can't remember. The problem is its a dumb way to approach an argument, especially when you choose one quote and then extrapolate your own conclusions, instead of just reading it.

PLN - the point that you attempt to respond to - that this blog "provides the perspective of middle class white property owners that have recently moved to the neighborhood" is a legitimate analysis of the entries included on this blog. I am not going to count for you, but I'm sure you can figure out how to look through the past posts (hint: check left nav bar) and identify the subject of the posts.

Your little straw man is that you made a huge assumption later in your fisting post is that gentrifier's issues wouldn't be shared amongst the larger community.

I didn't say that at all. I just said that the inordinate focus of this blog is on issues that gentrifiers are interested in. Like I said before and you didn't read: I have seldom (not never) read posts about the schools in the area, local community organizations, or heard the perspective of the majority of residents.

Ed

Glad to see you are alive and well, Charles (and not taking me too seriously)! Best of luck on your show!

Mr. Ius

As a cubicle monkey/amateur musician, I respect anyone who wants to get together and play music after their schoolday/workday is over. I don't live close enough to the park to hear the band every night, but I walk my dogs through the park around the same time a few nights a week and from what I have experienced, the band is always playing the same song. It's the variation on reveille, correct?

I can see how hours of that tune would become incredibly annoying to local residents. Even people like me who intermittently pass through once in a while can get tired of the same 5 notes after a few minutes. I definitely side with the letter's author on this one - perhaps if the letter were written more sincerely, it wouldn't have been received so poorly.

PMG

To Nicorreta7
The music you hear is not from the park but from a social club in the back of Blessed restaurant at 757 Flatbush and it is driving many, many peole MAD. I live halfway down Clarkson and can hear the noise as if it were in my living room; it's impossible to sleep before they stop playing (often at 3:00 a.m.). We were hoping it was originally just pracicing for the parade and would cease after Labor Day, but the music is still going on. The band music in the park is probably mild and quiet compared to this!

slick

if no one has ever noticed, they are a marching band. However, they march up and down on the east side of the park.

They dont march onto the Park Slope side at all. They also dont march in the Parade Grounds.


Harry In Shorts

What is most disturbing to me is that it is a Neo-Zionistic Black Panther marching band and they do MUCH more than march and play music. All I have to say is don't wear green or red converse low tops around them...They HATE that. I met one of them in the recently ok'd Meytex lounge while it was still unbearably terrifying with it's big bad black window to cover up all the hookers and drug use. Thank god they took that window down and made the neighborhood safe again. I saw Jennifer Connely there just the other day.

Hanna

I like the band practice in the park. Hanna

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