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What about dollar vans? They are quick, easy, clearly safe, and oh so pleasant...NOT!


New to the neighborhood and wondered about those supermarkets. They're really as bad as I suspected?

Love the monorail idea in theory, but just for the park denizens, shouldn't there be a park bus that just makes stops at the main park entrances? . . . and makes a detour looping down Union to 3rd and then up 9th back to the park?


Thank goodness for Fresh Direct -- I made sure they delivered to this area before I moved here!

And I don't see how getting to the Whole Foods in Park Slope (when it opens years from now) is any different from taking the subway back from Union Square, where I work anyway.

Now some kind of a shuttle to Fairway might be good.

But wouldn't it be best just to have some nice local shops in PLG? A cheese shop, a wine store, a bakery (with baguettes, etc.), or how about just a small gourmet store with all of the above?


What's wrong with the jitneys? They are as close to a perfect form of mass transit locally as we have - cheap, environmentally better than one family cars, easy to access, they drop you off where you want to be dropped.

I can't imagine why Ed feels the need to belittle them, unless he's just uncomfortable sharing space with his neighbors.

Harry In Shorts

I like the dollar vans. They are nice.


The Dollar Vans, if legal, are an excellent idea. However, like much that exists in PLG, their implementation suffers from poor planning and execution.

The biggest problem is that the Dollar Van owners hire extremely bad drivers that are not properly trained or monitored. These drivers tend to be worse than even the worst yellow cab drivers, driving wrecklessly and at excessive speeds. They endanger pedestrians and other drivers alike when they speed through lights, double park, weave in and out of traffic, brake suddenly, and use otherwise poor judgment.

Is this even debatable to anyone familiar with the driving practices of the United States (as opposed the caribbean - an important distinction!)


p.s. - if I wasn't clear, we don't drive in America (even in NYC) as wrecklessly as they tend to in the caribbean, because it's not safe! I've spent much time in the caribbean, so I know what I'm talking about.

p.p.s - if Dollar Vans were safe, of course I'd use them. They'd be comparable to the buses and subways that I already share with my neighbors on a regular basis.


Ed, you seem so scared of everything, what's the problem? The dollar vans drivers are fine. You have no evidence that they are particularly worse than any other drivers, of Carribean descent or not.


Alot of the dollar vans are driving illegally with out of state license plates or regular licensed ny plates,ie not tlc plates, as cabs and car services have. They also have inadequate insurance that would not cover you in an accident. Additionally the drivers behavior in the area around kings plaza is disgusting and dangerous.


"Scared?" Are we all grown ups here, Adred, or are some of us playing kiddie games?

I think it's unfortunate that your solution to dealing with the dollar van problem is to completely ignore it and paint its critics as weak. I've said this a gazillion times, but I'll say it again - insane levels of hubris blind many of PLG's residents and prevent them from admitting the neighborhood has some serious problems. Thus, the problems go unfixed, year after year after year.

Meanwhile, if you really think dollar vans are, on average, driven reasonably, then your empirical experience diverges vastly from mine and every driver and pedestrian I know.

Frankly, I think dollar vans are cheap - that's pretty much their only virtue. And while they are saving some passengers money, they are careening at ridiculous speeds and endangering the rest of us.


Every person who lives in and around PLG knows the neighborhood needs many improvements, amenities, changes.

Don't build straw men to paint yourself as an iconoclast; you mimic gentrifiers constantly with uncreative solutions to real problems. Why can't we improve existing neighborhood institutions, like the Skate rink, like the dollar vans, etc? I guess its easier to just knock it down, push out the "ghetto scum", and bring in the coffee shops.


Frankly, I'm missing your point, Adrock.

Yes, we all know there are problems that have nothing to do with coffee. My personal means of protest against unsafe dollar vans is not to patronize them. It has nothing to do with coffee.

Meanwhile, let's find a way to improve the neighborhood for EVERYONE - not just the gentrifiers. That's ultimately the most desirable solution, isn't it?

Park Slope Neighbors

Dear Across the Park,

Thanks for posting regarding our effort. We'd be glad to team up with our cross-town neighbors to push for some better transit solutions, monorail or otherwise. For instance, Bus Rapid Transit along Flatbush Avenue, for starters (this long-discussed idea is threatened by the proposed Atlantic Yards' "arena drop-off lane," by the way. We've got our hands full for the moment with Whole Foods, but would certainly be interested in lobbying elected officials to support better transit.


Apparently, that Whole Foods is going to be built on a pile of toxic waste:


Am I the only one who fantasizes about Phat Albert being replaced by Whole Foods? Would be the perfect space for it . . .

Brooklyn Boy

If I were Whole Foods I'd begin looking for another location. There's no way that you can satisfy all of the Park Slope moms who have nothing else to do but bug people.


I hate women just because they are white too.


(That was sarcasm.)

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